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Case Of An Adolescent Girl With Familial Vulvar Leiomyoma, Madeline Ross, Charlene Dekonenko, Rebecca Rentea, Tazim Dowlut-Mcelroy

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Background

While uterine leiomyomas remain a common occurrence affecting nearly 30% of adult women above 35yo, leiomyomas can arise anywhere smooth muscle cells are located in the body. Vulvar leiomyomas are a particularly rare diagnosis, often misdiagnosed as Bartholin gland cyst, comprising 0.07% of vulvar tumors, and thought to arise from smooth muscle within the round ligament, erectile tissue, and dartos muscle. Even more rare is the presentation of vulvar leiomyoma in the adolescent population and family history of vulvar leiomyoma.

Case

We present the case of a 16yo girl who noticed a painless vulvar mass that had increased in …

Infliximab As Rescue Therapy In Pediatric Severe Colitis, Kayla B. Briggs

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Background: Infliximab has been shown to be effective in achieving clinical remission in patients with ulcerative colitis (UC) refractory to conventional therapy. However, there is conflicting data in the literature regarding its effectiveness as rescue therapy in acute severe colitis. Furthermore, most studies were conducted in adults, and pediatric onset of inflammatory bowel disease (IBD) is associated with more severe disease that may be less amenable to rescue therapy.

Objectives/Goal: We reviewed our experience with pediatric severe colitis and report outcomes following attempted rescue therapy with infliximab.

Methods/Design: A retrospective review was conducted of patients with UC or indeterminate colitis …

Reconsidering Perioperative Antibiotic Use In Elective Laparoscopic Cholecystectomy, Kayla B. Briggs

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Background: As rates of antimicrobial resistance increase, the use of prophylactic perioperative antibiotics (PPA) has been questioned in cases with a low risk of surgical site infection (SSI). In laparoscopic cholecystectomy performed for biliary dyskinesia, hyperkinetic gallbladder, and gallbladder polyps, the use of PPA varies with no widely accepted practice pattern.

Objectives/Goal: We examined institutional PPA usage and SSI rates for elective laparoscopic cholecystectomy to determine if PPAs are indicated.

Methods/Design: Following IRB approval, children/2010 and 8/2020 for symptomatic cholelithiasis, biliary dyskinesia, hyperkinetic gallbladder, and/or gallbladder polyps were included. Several surgeons changed practice to selective PPA use in 2016, decreasing …

Bar Removal Following Minimally Invasive Pectus Excavatum Repair – Does Removal At 2 Years Affect Recurrence Or Satisfaction Rates?, Wendy Jo Svetanoff

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Background: Some patients with pectus excavatum require bar removal despite having the bar in for less than three years after minimally invasive placement (MIRPE). It is unknown whether early removal is associated with a higher recurrence rate or lower cosmetic satisfaction.

Objectives/Goal: The aim of this study was to review post-operative outcomes, specifically recurrence rate, and patient satisfaction in patients who underwent bar removal prior to three years.

Methods/Design: A retrospective review was performed of patients who underwent MIRPE between October 2006 and June 2017 and had bar removal less than 3 years after repair. Demographics, reason for bar removal, …

Refining The Optimal First Treatment For Pediatric Breast Abscesses, Kayla B. Briggs

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Background: We previously reported treatment and outcomes of children with untreated, not spontaneously draining (UTND) breast abscesses. What has not been well defined however are those with previously treated, not spontaneously draining (PTND) pediatric breast abscesses. In general, a more conservative approach is favored in children with breast abscesses to avoid damage to the developing breast bud.

Objectives/Goal: We sought to determine if care at a pediatric tertiary referral center impacts disease persistence rate.

Methods/Design: Following IRB approval, patientstherapy.

Results: In all, 114 patients met inclusion criteria, 96 in the UTND group and 18 in the PTND group (Figure 1). …

Comparison Of Post-Operative Pain Control Modalities For Pectus Excavatum Repair, Charlene Dekonenko

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This study compares patient outcomes following pectus excavatum repair using cryoablation, epidural, or patient-controlled analgesia for post-operative pain control. Primary outcome: length of stay
Secondary outcomes: operative time, pain scores, time to only oral analgesics.
Conclusion: Intercostal cryoablation during minimally invasive pectus excavatum repair significantly reduces length of stay and time to oral analgesics alone.

Self-Reported Outcomes Following Cholecystectomy For Pediatric Hyperkinetic Biliary Dyskinesia, Charlene Dekonenko, Joseph A. Sujka, Robert Michael Dorman, Tolulope A. Oyetunji, Shawn D. St Peter

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The aim of this study is to determine if children with hyperkinetic biliary dyskinesia have resolution of symptoms after laparoscopic cholecystectomy at our institution.

Conclusion: Cholecystectomy for hyperkinetic biliary dyskinesia may or may not improve symptoms. Further research should focus on pathophysiology of the disease in order to create an evidence-based definition of biliary dyskinesia in children to determine who will benefit from cholecystectomy.

Implementing Lean Daily Management System To Improve Cvor First Case On-Time Starts, Haley Borchers, Kelly Fehlhafer, Barbara Mueller, Jessica Nichols, Sarah Talken, Mary Hunter, Kenneth Sam

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Pressure Injury Prevention For Urology Surgical Procedures: A Qi Initiative, Azadeh Wickham, Pat Clay, Kate Gibbs

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Effect Of Hemiepiphysiodesis On The Growth Plate: The Histopathological Changes And Mechanism Exploration Of Recurrence In Mini Pig Model., Jing Ding, Jin He, Zhi-Qiang Zhang, Zhen-Kai Wu, Fang-Chun Jin

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Purpose: Hemiepiphysiodesis has been widely used to correct angular deformity of long bone in immature patients. However, there is a limited knowledge about the biomechanical effect of this technique on the histopathological changes of the growth plate and the mechanism of recurrence of malformation after implant removal. We aimed to evaluate the biomechanical effect of hemiepiphysiodesis on the histopathological changes of the growth plate and the mechanism of recurrence of malformation after implant removal in Bama miniature pigs, and to explore the role of asymmetric stress during this procedure.

Methods: Eight 3-month-old male Bama miniature pigs sustained surgeries on the …

Re-Tubularization Of Highly-Ischemic Anti-Mesenteric Border (Rehab): A Novel Bowel Preservation Technique In Complex Gastroschisis., Richard J. Hendrickson, Ashwini S. Poola, Katherine W. Gonzalez, Joel Lim, Tolulope A. Oyetunji

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Complex gastroschisis with bowel necrosis poses an operative challenge. Surgeons must weigh the decision between resection versus preservation of ischemic bowel. As one of the leading causes of short bowel syndrome, aggressive resection in complicated gastroschisis subjects children to prolonged dependence on parenteral nutrition and its attendant complications. Herein, we describe a novel technique aimed towards bowel preservation in complex gastroschisis patients with severe bowel ischemia with the ultimate goal for enteral autonomy.

Genomic Contraindications For Heart Transplantation., Danton S. Char, Gabriel Lázaro-Muñoz, Aliessa Barnes, David Magnus, Michael J. Deem, John Lantos

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Genome sequencing raises new ethical challenges. Decoding the genome produces new forms of diagnostic and prognostic information; however, the information is often difficult to interpret. The connection between most genetic variants and their phenotypic manifestations is not understood. This scenario is particularly true for disorders that are not associated with an autosomal genetic variant. The analytic uncertainty is compounded by moral uncertainty about how, exactly, the results of genomic testing should influence clinical decisions. In this Ethics Rounds, we present a case in which genomic findings seemed to play a role in deciding whether a patient was to be listed …

Rectal Colonic Mural Hematoma Following Enema For Constipation While On Therapeutic Anticoagulation., Rebecca M. Rentea, Charles H. Fehring

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Causes of colonic and recto-sigmoid hematomas are multifactorial. Patients can present with a combination of dropping hemoglobin, bowel obstruction and perforation. Computed tomography imaging can provide clues to a diagnosis of intramural hematoma. We present a case of rectal hematoma and a review of current management literature. A 72-year-old male on therapeutic anticoagulation for a pulmonary embolism, was administered an enema resulting in severe abdominal pain unresponsive to blood transfusion. A sigmoid colectomy with end colostomy was performed. Although rare, colonic and recto-sigmoid hematomas should be considered as a possible diagnosis for adults with abdominal pain on anticoagulant therapy.

Appendectomy Versus Non-Operative Treatment For Acute Uncomplicated Appendicitis In Children: Study Protocol For A Multicentre, Open-Label, Non-Inferiority, Randomised Controlled Trial., Nigel J. Hall, Simon Eaton, Olivier Abbo, Alexis P. Arnaud, Marianne Beaudin, Mary Brindle, Andreana Bütter, Dafydd Davies, Tim Jancelewicz, Kathy Johnson, Richard Keijzer, Eveline Lapidus-Krol, Martin Offringa, Nelson Piché, Risto Rintala, Erik Skarsgard, Jan F. Svensson, Wendy J. Ungar, Tomas Wester, Andrew R. Willan, Augusto Zani, Shawn D. St Peter, Agostino Pierro

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Background: Appendectomy is considered the gold standard treatment for acute appendicitis. Recently the need for surgery has been challenged in both adults and children. In children there is growing clinician, patient and parental interest in non-operative treatment of acute appendicitis with antibiotics as opposed to surgery. To date no multicentre randomised controlled trials that are appropriately powered to determine efficacy of non-operative treatment (antibiotics) for acute appendicitis in children compared with surgery (appendectomy) have been performed.

Methods: Multicentre, international, randomised controlled trial with a non-inferiority design. Children (age 5-16 years) with a clinical and/or radiological diagnosis of acute uncomplicated appendicitis …

Biomechanical Evaluation Of A Growth-Friendly Rod Construct., Sarah Galvis, Josh Arnold, Erin Mannen, Benjamin Wong, Hadley Sis, Eileen Cadel, John Anderson, Dennis Anderson, Paul Arnold, Elizabeth Friis

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BACKGROUND: Distraction-type rods mechanically stabilize the thorax and improve lung growth and function by applying distraction forces at the rib, spine, pelvis, or a combination of locations. However, the amount of stability the rods provide and the amount the thorax needs is unknown.

METHODS: Five freshly frozen and thawed cadaveric thoracic spine specimens were tested for lateral bending, flexion/extension, and axial rotation in displacement control (1°/sec) to a load limit of ±5 Nm for five cycles after which a growth-friendly unilateral rod was placed in a simulated rib-to-lumbar attachment along the right side. The specimens were tested again in the …

Late Onset Of Pulmonary Hypertension And Sepsis In Omphalocele Infants, Joanne E. Baerg, Arul Thirumoorthi, Whitney Carlton, Shelly Haug, Andrew O. Hopper, Donna Goff, Sandhya Ramlogan, Shawn D. St Peter

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A subset of omphalocele infants has respiratory decompensation after the first week of life and PHN is diagnosed. Infection may initiate decompensation. In some, PHN is distinct from pulmonary hypoplasia as they oxygenate on room air for some time after birth. With aggressive treatment and follow-up, PHN can resolve. The late diagnosis of PHN in infants with omphalocele is previously unappreciated and deserves further study.

Outcomes After Pediatric Fundoplication: Defining The Redo Population, J E. Baerg, E E. Perrone, R A. Vannix, D L. Thorpe, A Gasior, Shawn D. St Peter

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Objective: The aims were to compare outcome variables in children with gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD) and one Nissen fundoplication to children with redo fundoplications and define the pediatric redo population. Methods: After IRB approval (#5100277), a case control study was conducted of children younger than 18 years, from two children’s hospitals, with one Nissen fundoplication (control group) or a redo performed between January 1995 and March 2011. Complete data were collected by phone calls to caregivers in December 2012. Only redo operations performed after recurrence of GERD symptoms and wrap herniation into the mediastinum confirmed by contrast radiograph were included. …

Rare Presentation Of Pancreatitis Secondary To Intussusception Of Duodenal Duplication Cyst, A Pediatric Case Report, Valentina Shakhnovich, Jennifer Colombo, Amita A. Desai, Shawn D. St Peter

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Functional Health Status In Children And Adolescents After Fontan: Comparison Of Generic And Disease-Specific Assessments., Brian W. Mccrindle, Victor Zak, Victoria L. Pemberton, Linda M. Lambert, Victoria L. Vetter, Wyman W. Lai, Karen Uzark, Renee Margossian, Andrew M. Atz, Amanda Cook, Jane W. Newburger, Pediatric Heart Network Investigators, Girish S. Shirali

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PURPOSE: The aim of this study was to compare associations between generic versus disease-specific functional health status assessments and patient and clinical characteristics for patients with severe congenital heart disease.

METHODS: This was a cross-sectional observational study involving 325 single ventricle patients, aged 10-18 years, after Fontan procedure. Enrolled patients underwent a medical history review, laboratory testing, and assessment of the functional health status by completion of the generic Child Report Child Health Questionnaire and the disease-specific Congenital Heart Adolescent and Teenage questionnaire. Correlated conceptually equivalent domains from both questionnaires were identified and their associations with patient and clinical variables …

Is Laparoscopy A Risk Factor For Bile Duct Injury During Cholecystectomy?, Terrence M. Fullum, Stephanie R. Downing, Gezzer Ortega, David C. Chang, Tolulope A. Oyetunji, Kendra Van Kirk, Daniel D. Tran, Ian Woods, Edward E. Cornwell, Patricia L. Turner

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BACKGROUND AND OBJECTIVES: Previously, risk factors for bile duct injury have been identified as acute cholecystitis, male gender, older age, aberrant biliary anatomy, and laparoscopic cholecystectomy.

METHODS: A retrospective analysis of the Nationwide Inpatient Sample from 1998 to 2006 was performed with an inclusion criterion of cholecystectomy performed on hospital day 0 or 1. Patient- and hospital-level factors potentially associated with bile duct injury were examined by logistic regression.

RESULTS: A total of 377,424 cholecystectomy patients were identified. There were 1124 bile duct injuries (0.30%), with 177 (0.06%) in the laparoscopic cholecystectomy group and 947 (1.46%) in the open cholecystectomy …

State-By-State Variation In Emergency Versus Elective Colon Resections: Room For Improvement., Augustine C. Obirieze, Mehreen Kisat, Caitlin W. Hicks, Tolulope A. Oyetunji, Eric B. Schneider, Darrell J. Gaskin, Elliott R. Haut, David T. Efron, Edward E. Cornwell, Adil H. Haider

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BACKGROUND: Compared with elective surgical procedures, emergency procedures are associated with higher cost, morbidity, and mortality. This study seeks to investigate potential state-by-state variations in the incidence of emergent versus elective colon resections.

METHODS: A retrospective analysis of all adult patients (aged ≥18 years) included in the Nationwide Inpatient Sample from 2005 to 2009 who underwent hemicolectomy (right or left) or sigmoidectomy was conducted. Discharge-level weights were applied, and generalized linear models were used to assess the odds of a patient undergoing emergent versus elective colon surgery nationally and for each state after adjusting for patient and hospital factors. Odds …

Open Versus Laparoscopic Hiatal Hernia Repair., Terrence M. Fullum, Tolulope A. Oyetunji, Gezzer Ortega, Daniel D. Tran, Ian M. Woods, Olusola Obayomi-Davies, Orighomisan Pessu, Stephanie R. Downing, Edward E. Cornwell

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BACKGROUND: The literature reports the efficacy of the laparoscopic approach to paraesophageal hiatal hernia repair. However, its adoption as the preferred surgical approach and the risks associated with paraesophageal hiatal hernia repair have not been reviewed in a large database.

METHOD: The Nationwide Inpatient Sample dataset was queried from 1998 to 2005 for patients who underwent repair of a complicated (the entire stomach moves into the chest cavity) versus uncomplicated (only the upper part of the stomach protrudes into the chest) paraesophageal hiatal hernia via the laparoscopic, open abdominal, or open thoracic approach. A multivariate analysis was performed controlling for …

Mast Cell Activation And Clinical Outcome In Pediatric Cholelithiasis And Biliary Dyskinesia., Craig A. Friesen, Nancy Neilan, James F. Daniel, Kim Radford, Jennifer Verrill Schurman, Ding-You Li, Linda Andre, Shawn D. St Peter, G W. Holcomb Iii

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BACKGROUND: The current study was undertaken to determine the degree of activation of gallbladder mucosal mast cells, whether mast cell (MC) density or activation differ between patients with and without a positive clinical response to cholecystectomy, and whether either density or activation correlate with gallbladder emptying.

RESULTS: Fifteen biliary dyskinesia (BD) and 13 symptomatic cholelithiasis (CL) patients undergoing cholecystectomy were prospectively enrolled. Gallbladder wall MC density (by immunohistochemistry) and activation (by electron microscopy) were determined. Clinical response was evaluated 30 days post-cholecystectomy on a 5-point Likert-type scale. A complete or nearly complete clinical response was seen in 100% of CL …

Surgical Management Of Complete Atrioventricular Septal Defect: Associations With Surgical Technique, Age, And Trisomy 21., Andrew M. Atz, John A. Hawkins, Minmin Lu, Meryl S. Cohen, Steven D. Colan, James Jaggers, Ronald V. Lacro, Brian W. Mccrindle, Renee Margossian, Ralph S. Mosca, Lynn A. Sleeper, L Luann Minich, Pediatric Heart Network Investigators, Girish S. Shirali

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OBJECTIVES: We sought to evaluate the contemporary results after repair of a complete atrioventricular septal defect and to determine the factors associated with suboptimal outcomes.

METHODS: The demographic, procedural, and outcome data were obtained within 1 and 6 months after repair of a complete atrioventricular septal defect in 120 children in a multicenter observational study from June 2004 to 2006.

RESULTS: The median age at surgery was 3.7 months (range, 9 days to 1.1 years). The type of surgical repair was a single patch (18%), double patch (72%), and a single atrial septal defect patch with primary ventricular septal defect …

Minimal Vs Extensive Esophageal Mobilization During Laparoscopic Fundoplication: A Prospective Randomized Trial., Shawn D. St Peter, Douglas C. Barnhart, Daniel J. Ostlie, Kuojen Tsao, Charles M. Leys, Susan W. Sharp, Donna Bartle, Tracey Morgan, Carroll M. Harmon, Keith E. Georgeson, G W. Holcomb Iii

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PURPOSE: Laparoscopic Nissen fundoplication has been traditionally performed with extensive esophageal dissection to create 2 to 3 cm of intraabdominal esophagus. Retrospective data have suggested that minimal esophageal mobilization may reduce the risk of postoperative herniation of the wrap into the lower mediastinum. To compare complete esophageal dissection to leaving the phrenoesophageal attachment intact, we conducted a 2-center, prospective, randomized trial.

METHODS: After obtaining permission/assent, patients were randomized to circumferential division of the phrenoesophageal attachments (MAX) or minimal mobilization with no violation of the phrenoesophageal membrane (MIN). A contrast study was performed at 1 year. The primary outcome variable was …

Should We Be Concerned About Jejunoileal Atresia During Repair Of Duodenal Atresia?, Shawn D. St Peter, Danny C. Little, Katherine A. Barsness, Daniel R. Copeland, Casey M. Calkins, Suzanne Yoder, Steve S. Rothenberg, Saleem Islam, Kuojen Tsao, Daniel J. Ostlie

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INTRODUCTION: During repair for duodenal atresia, it has been emphasized that inspection of the small bowel to identify a second atresia is required. The laparoscopic approach for repair of duodenal atresia has been criticized for its limitation to perform this step. Given that duodenal atresia and jejunoileal atresias do not share common embryologic origins, we question the validity of this concern. Therefore, we conducted a multicenter retrospective review of duodenal atresia patients to quantify the incidence of jejunoileal atresia in this population.

METHODS: After institutional review board approval (IRB #07-12-187X), a retrospective review was conducted on all patients who have …

Initial Experience With A Miniaturized Multiplane Transesophageal Probe In Small Infants Undergoing Cardiac Operations., Sinai C. Zyblewski, Girish S. Shirali, Geoffrey A. Forbus, Tain-Yen Hsia, Scott M. Bradley, Andrew M. Atz, Meryl S. Cohen, Eric M. Graham

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PURPOSE: There has been reluctance to use intraoperative transesophageal echocardiography (TEE) in small infants. We assessed the utility and safety of a new miniaturized multiplane micro-TEE probe in small infants undergoing cardiac operations.

DESCRIPTION: Hemodynamic and ventilation variables were prospectively recorded before and after micro-TEE insertion and removal in infants weighing 5 kg or less undergoing cardiac operations.

EVALUATION: The study included 42 patients with a mean weight of 3.6 +/- 0.9 kg (range, 1.7 to 5 kg). All probe insertions were successful. There were no complications or clinically significant changes in hemodynamic or ventilation variables. Information provided by TEE …

Partial And Transitional Atrioventricular Septal Defect Outcomes., L Luann Minich, Andrew M. Atz, Steven D. Colan, Lynn A. Sleeper, Seema Mital, James Jaggers, Renee Margossian, Ashwin Prakash, Jennifer S. Li, Meryl S. Cohen, Ronald V. Lacro, Gloria L. Klein, John A. Hawkins, Pediatric Heart Network Investigators, Girish S. Shirali

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BACKGROUND: Surgical and perioperative improvements permit earlier repair of partial and transitional atrioventricular septal defects (AVSD). We sought to describe contemporary outcomes in a multicenter cohort.

METHODS: We studied 87 patients undergoing primary biventricular repair of partial or transitional AVSD between June 2004 and February 2006 across seven North American centers. One-month and 6-month postoperative data included weight-for-age z-scores, left atrioventricular valve regurgitation (LAVVR) grade, residual shunts, and left ventricular ejection fraction. Paired methods were used to assess 6-month change.

RESULTS: Median age at surgery was 1.8 years; median weight z-score was -0.88. Median days for ventilation were 1, intensive …

Effect Of Donor Ethnicity On Kidney Survival In Different Recipient Pairs: An Analysis Of The Optn/Unos Database., C O. Callender, W S. Cherikh, P Traverso, A Hernandez, Tolulope A. Oyetunji, D Chang

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BACKGROUND: Previous multivariate analysis performed between April 1, 1994, and December 31, 2000 from the Organ Procurement Transplant Network/United Network for Organ Sharing (OPTN/UNOS) database has shown that kidneys from black donors were associated with lower graft survival. We compared graft and patient survival of different kidney donor-to-recipient ethnic combinations to see if this result still holds on a recent cohort of US kidney transplants.

METHODS: We included 72,495 recipients of deceased and living donor kidney alone transplants from 2001 to 2005. A multivariate Cox regression method was used to analyze the effect of donor-recipient ethnicity on graft and patient …

Parent- Versus Child-Reported Functional Health Status After The Fontan Procedure., Linda M. Lambert, L Luann Minich, Jane W. Newburger, Minmin Lu, Victoria L. Pemberton, Ellen A. Mcgrath, Andrew M. Atz, Mingfen Xu, Elizabeth Radojewski, Darlene Servedio, Brian W. Mccrindle, Pediatric Heart Network Investigators, Girish S. Shirali

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OBJECTIVE: We sought to compare perceptions of functional health status between children who had undergone a Fontan procedure and their parents.

METHODS: Fontan procedure survivors 10 to 18 years of age were included in the study if the child completed the Child Health Questionnaire (CHQ) and the parent completed the parent form to assess the child's functional health status. Comparisons were made between raw domain scores for the parent- and child-completed CHQs.

RESULTS: Between March 2003 and April 2004, 1078 Fontan survivors were screened. Of the 546 eligible and consented patients, 354 were 10-18 years of age and 328 parent/child …